{"id":7011,"date":"2018-02-01T15:26:53","date_gmt":"2018-02-01T15:26:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.magna.org\/fr\/denisa-augustinova-podvyzivene-deti-neplacou-namaji-dost-sil\/"},"modified":"2022-12-03T15:05:28","modified_gmt":"2022-12-03T15:05:28","slug":"denisa-augustinova-podvyzivene-deti-neplacou-namaji-dost-sil","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.magna.org\/fr\/cs\/uncategorized\/denisa-augustinova-podvyzivene-deti-neplacou-namaji-dost-sil\/","title":{"rendered":"Denisa August\u00ednov\u00e1: Podvy\u017eiven\u00e9 d\u011bti nepl\u00e1\u010dou, nemaj\u00ed dost sil."},"content":{"rendered":"

Rozhovor s Denisou August\u00ednovou p\u016fvodn\u011b vy\u0161el v lednov\u00e9m \u010d\u00edsle \u010dasopisu Marianne<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Denisa August\u00ednov\u00e1 rozhovory nesn\u00e1\u0161\u00ed. Cel\u00fd sv\u016fj \u017eivot se orientuje na pomoc druh\u00fdm a je zn\u00e1t, \u017ee o sob\u011b mluv\u00ed jen velmi nerada. Jej\u00ed kolegyn\u011b ze slovensk\u00e9 humanit\u00e1rn\u00ed organizace MAGNA, kterou Denisa p\u0159ed \u0161estn\u00e1cti lety coby t\u0159iadvacetilet\u00e1 (!) zalo\u017eila, p\u0159ed n\u00ed ale na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed tajily focen\u00ed a rozhovor tak dlouho a tak \u0161ikovn\u011b, \u017ee se j\u00ed nakonec nepoda\u0159ilo vyklouznout. A tak se Marianne mohla s touto v\u00fdjime\u010dnou \u017eenou, kter\u00e1 b\u00fdv\u00e1 p\u0159irovn\u00e1v\u00e1na k siru Nicholasi Wintonovi, setkat.<\/p>\n

M\u00e1te dv\u011b mal\u00e9 d\u011bti a za dva dny let\u00edte na syrskou hranici. Pro norm\u00e1ln\u00edho smrteln\u00edka hodn\u011b nepohodln\u00e1 p\u0159edstava.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Myslela jsem si, \u017ee mate\u0159stv\u00ed m\u016fj pohled nezm\u011bn\u00ed. Ale zm\u011bnilo. V jist\u00fdch velmi vypjat\u00fdch chv\u00edl\u00edch v\u00e1s to ovlivn\u00ed, t\u0159eba kdy\u017e p\u0159ijde pacient ve stejn\u00e9m v\u011bku jako moje dcery. To d\u00edt\u011b je v situaci, kdy ztratilo celou rodinu, je osam\u011bl\u00e9, za\u017eilo traumata. A p\u0159esn\u011b v tu chv\u00edli se \u010dlov\u011bk d\u00edv\u00e1 do o\u010d\u00ed sv\u00e9mu vlastn\u00edmu d\u00edt\u011bti. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b m\u00e1m oproti jin\u00fdm lidem posunut\u00e9 hranice, v podobn\u00fdch z\u00f3n\u00e1ch se pohybuju roky. Ale taky v\u00edm, kde jsou limity.<\/p>\n

Magnu jste zalo\u017eila s man\u017eelem, na mise jezd\u00edte oba. M\u00e1te katastrofick\u00fd sc\u00e9n\u00e1\u0159, co d\u011blat, kdyby se jeden z v\u00e1s nevr\u00e1til?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ne, nem\u00e1me.<\/p>\n

Opravdu se neboj\u00edte?<\/strong><\/p>\n

J\u00e1 se neboj\u00edm ni\u010deho, I fear nothing. Proto\u017ee strach je nep\u0159\u00edtel. Vede n\u00e1s ke zkratovit\u00fdm rozhodnut\u00edm. Ale samoz\u0159ejm\u011b neriskuji v\u011bdom\u011b sv\u016fj \u017eivot, ani \u017eivot n\u011bkoho jin\u00e9ho z MAGNA.<\/p>\n

A co nemoci? T\u011bch se tak\u00e9 neboj\u00edte?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Na to, kde se pohybuju, jsem v pohod\u011b. P\u00e1r tropick\u00fdch onemocn\u011bn\u00ed prob\u011bhlo, ale nic fat\u00e1ln\u00edho.<\/p>\n

Vy o tom mluv\u00edte jako o ch\u0159ipce. Co jste t\u0159eba m\u011bla?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hore\u010dku dengue. Spousta koleg\u016f ji ale jako ch\u0159ipku vn\u00edm\u00e1. A mal\u00e1rii taky.<\/p>\n

Napad\u00e1 m\u011b, \u017ee asi m\u00e1te pom\u00e1h\u00e1n\u00ed v krvi, va\u0161e maminka byla soci\u00e1ln\u00ed pracovnice.<\/strong><\/p>\n

To ano. Maminka pracovala s d\u011btmi z probl\u00e9mov\u00fdch rodin, hlavn\u011b s adolescenty. Kdy\u017e vznikla d\u00edra v syst\u00e9mu a nem\u011bly kde b\u00fdt, vzala je prost\u011b k n\u00e1m dom\u016f.<\/p>\n

Tak\u017ee v\u00e1m t\u0159eba okupovaly d\u011btsk\u00fd pokoj\u00ed\u010dek? To v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b probl\u00e9mov\u00fdch adolescent\u016f asi nebylo snadn\u00e9.<\/strong><\/p>\n

U d\u011bt\u00ed je to jin\u00e9. D\u011bti maj\u00ed z\u00e1zra\u010dnou schopnost nesoudit. A probl\u00e9mov\u00e9 d\u011bti m\u00edvaj\u00ed probl\u00e9my hlavn\u011b kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee maj\u00ed pot\u00ed\u017ee doma, nec\u00edt\u00ed l\u00e1sku. Agrese je jen p\u0159evle\u010den\u00fd strach. Kdy\u017e se pak ty d\u011bti ocitly u n\u00e1s doma, tak m\u011bly pocit klidu a bezpe\u010d\u00ed, my s bratrem jsme v\u016fbec nevn\u00edmali, \u017ee by byly n\u011bjak probl\u00e9mov\u00e9. Sp\u00ed\u0161 n\u00e1m bylo n\u011bkdy l\u00edto, kdy\u017e ode\u0161ly. V\u011bt\u0161inou u n\u00e1s byly p\u00e1r dn\u00ed. No, n\u011bkdy i t\u00fddn\u016f. Ale byli jsme zvykl\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Vy jste pak v\u00a0pouh\u00fdch t\u0159iadvaceti zalo\u017eila humanit\u00e1rn\u00ed organizaci MAGNA, kter\u00e1 pom\u00e1h\u00e1 v\u00a0krizov\u00fdch situac\u00edch po cel\u00e9m sv\u011bt\u011b.<\/strong><\/p>\n

To byla asi mladick\u00e1 nerozv\u00e1\u017enost! (sm\u00edch) Ale v\u00e1\u017en\u011b, v\u00a0t\u00e9 dob\u011b nebyla na Slovensku organizace, kter\u00e1 by implementovala samostatn\u00e9 projekty v\u00a0ter\u00e9nu. Tak jsme s\u00a0Martinem zalo\u017eili vlastn\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Jezd\u00edte na zahrani\u010dn\u00ed mise spolu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

M\u00e1me dv\u011b dcery, tak\u017ee se st\u0159\u00edd\u00e1me, mus\u00edme si to doma logisticky zorganizovat. Dokud jsme d\u011bti nem\u011bli, jezdili jsme spole\u010dn\u011b mnohem v\u00edc. Moment\u00e1ln\u011b \u017eijeme mezi Libanonem a Kambod\u017eou, kde chod\u00ed dcery do \u0161koly.<\/p>\n

Do ter\u00e9nu ale jezd\u00edte st\u00e1le dost. Berete d\u011bti s\u00a0sebou?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u017d\u00e1dn\u00fd rodi\u010d by d\u00edt\u011b dobrovoln\u011b nevystavil nebezpe\u010d\u00ed, na\u0161e d\u011bti mu tak\u00e9 nejsou vystaveny. Nejezd\u00ed do zem\u00ed \u201eneslu\u010diteln\u00fdch s\u00a0d\u011btmi\u201c, jen tam, kde to bezpe\u010dnost dovol\u00ed. T\u0159eba v\u00a0n\u011bkter\u00fdch zem\u00edch v\u00a0Africe je to stabiln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, p\u016fsobili jsme tam v\u00a0mnoha zem\u00edch. I v\u00a0Libanonu s\u00a0n\u00e1mi d\u011bti jsou, stejn\u011b jako v\u00a0mnoha asijsk\u00fdch zem\u00edch.<\/p>\n

Jak je va\u0161e profese ovliv\u0148uje?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Asi v\u00fdrazn\u011b. Star\u0161\u00ed dce\u0159i u\u017e je dev\u011bt, ur\u010dit\u011b se na mnoh\u00e9 v\u011bci d\u00edv\u00e1 jinak, je konfrontovan\u00e1 s\u00a0drsn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed realitou. Vid\u00ed \u017eivot na ulici, vid\u00ed lidi, co nemaj\u00ed pen\u00edze. Pt\u00e1 se, jak pomoci. Na rozd\u00edl od dosp\u011bl\u00fdch ale d\u011bti v\u016fbec ne\u0159e\u0161\u00ed, pro\u010d pom\u00e1hat, sp\u00ed\u0161 jak a kdy. Star\u0161\u00ed dcera pos\u00edl\u00e1 hra\u010dky a oble\u010den\u00ed, jakmile je n\u011bkde n\u011bjak\u00e1 katastrofa, nemus\u00edme j\u00ed \u0159\u00edkat, d\u011bl\u00e1 to automaticky. Kdy\u017e byl cyklon na Filip\u00edn\u00e1ch, dokonce sama d\u011blala ve \u0161kole sb\u00edrku. Jasn\u011b, finance jsou d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9, ale n\u011bkdy zapom\u00edn\u00e1me, \u017ee kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00e9 je i sd\u00edlen\u00ed informac\u00ed o dan\u00fdch konfliktech. A hlavn\u011b dobrota v\u00a0n\u00e1s. Ta je zadarmo. Pom\u016f\u017eete \u010dlov\u011bku, kter\u00fd je na ulici, ale pom\u016f\u017eete t\u0159eba i doma. A \u010dlov\u011bk, kter\u00e9mu pom\u016f\u017eete, bude pak tak\u00e9 pom\u00e1hat. Spole\u010dn\u011b vytvo\u0159\u00edte \u0159et\u011bz.<\/p>\n

Jak m\u016f\u017eeme pomoci my? Co t\u0159eba kdy\u017e si m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dn\u011b odep\u0159eme stovku, tedy zhruba jeden ob\u011bd?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I za stovku m\u016f\u017eete zachr\u00e1nit \u017eivot! MAGNA hodn\u011b \u0159e\u0161\u00ed nutri\u010dn\u00ed projekty pro hladov\u00e9 d\u011bti a t\u011bhotn\u00e9 matky, v\u0161echny prost\u0159edky jdou p\u0159\u00edmo na pomoc. Vlastn\u011b jsme takov\u00e1 prodlou\u017een\u00e1 ruka p\u0159isp\u011bvatele.<\/p>\n

Pohybujete se v\u00a0oblastech sti\u017een\u00fdch katastrofami. Jak\u00e1 situace v\u00e1s opravdu zas\u00e1hla?<\/strong><\/p>\n

J\u00e1 si hodn\u011b pamatuju v\u016fn\u011b a zvuky. T\u0159eba kdy\u017e byl v\u00a0Som\u00e1lsku hladomor, chodily za n\u00e1mi i stovky nov\u00fdch pacient\u016f denn\u011b. Jste v\u00a0obrovsk\u00e9 skupin\u011b hladov\u011bj\u00edc\u00edch d\u011bt\u00ed, kter\u00e9 jsou t\u011b\u017ece podvy\u017eiven\u00e9, vys\u00edlen\u00e9, dehydrovan\u00e9, nemaj\u00ed chu\u0165 k\u00a0j\u00eddlu a trp\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00fdmi nemocemi, t\u0159eba z\u00e1palem plic. Taky je bol\u00ed b\u0159icho p\u0159i zat\u00ed\u017een\u00ed za\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed, n\u011bkolik m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f nejedly, kdy\u017e jim za\u010dnete d\u00e1vat v\u00fd\u017eivu, ze za\u010d\u00e1tku je to stra\u0161n\u011b bol\u00ed. Pl\u00e1\u010dou, ale proto\u017ee na pl\u00e1\u010d nemaj\u00ed dost sil, tak vyd\u00e1vaj\u00ed takov\u00fd specifick\u00fd zvuk. Je to hodn\u011b siln\u00e9\u2026 A pak vid\u00edte kolem sebe v\u0161echny ty p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy, \u010dty\u0159let\u00e9 d\u011bti, co maj\u00ed \u0161est kilo. M\u011bli jsme t\u0159eba v\u00a0p\u00e9\u010di hol\u010di\u010dku, kterou k\u00a0n\u00e1m p\u0159inesla babi\u010dka na z\u00e1dech, jedno d\u00edt\u011b j\u00ed cestou zem\u0159elo. Za \u0161est t\u00fddn\u016f ale ode\u0161ly spolu. Zdrav\u00e9 a po dvou. Podobn\u00e1 situace je pr\u00e1v\u011b v\u00a0Ji\u017en\u00edm S\u00fad\u00e1nu.<\/p>\n

Tu\u0161\u00edte, kolik pomohla va\u0161e organizace zachr\u00e1nit \u017eivot\u016f? \u010c\u00e1rky si asi ned\u011bl\u00e1te, ale ur\u010dit\u011b m\u00e1te p\u0159edstavu.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Za ty roky jsou to desetitis\u00edce \u017eivot\u016f. V\u00a0posledn\u00edch dvan\u00e1cti letech jsme byli u v\u0161ech v\u011bt\u0161\u00edch katastrof, od tsunami po zem\u011bt\u0159esen\u00ed. Poskytujeme prim\u00e1rn\u00ed zdravotn\u00ed pomoc, o\u0161et\u0159\u00edme stovky pacient\u016f denn\u011b. V\u00a0posledn\u00edch letech je ale na\u0161e pr\u00e1ce st\u00e1le t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Pro\u010d?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Konflikt v\u00a0S\u00fdrii kompletn\u011b zm\u011bnil humanit\u00e1rn\u00ed etiku. Kdysi znamenal k\u0159\u00ed\u017e na sanitce \u010di nemocnici, \u017ee se ne\u00fato\u010d\u00ed, my dnes ale na na\u0161ich mobiln\u00edch klinik\u00e1ch nem\u016f\u017eeme m\u00edt ozna\u010den\u00ed, \u017ee poskytujeme zdravotnickou pomoc, proto\u017ee bychom byli okam\u017eit\u011b ter\u010dem. Humanit\u00e1rn\u00ed pr\u00e1vo p\u0159est\u00e1v\u00e1 fungovat, napad\u00e1n\u00ed zdravotnick\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu se pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1 jako zp\u016fsob veden\u00ed v\u00e1lky.<\/p>\n

P\u0159i va\u0161\u00ed profesi hodn\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na aktu\u00e1ln\u00ed situaci ve sv\u011bt\u011b, pracovn\u00ed dobu od osmi do p\u011bti asi zrovna nem\u00e1te.<\/strong><\/p>\n

To ne, od osmi do p\u011bti opravdu ned\u011bl\u00e1m. Hlavn\u011b kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee na sv\u011bt\u011b jsou r\u016fzn\u00e9 \u010dasov\u00e9 z\u00f3ny a St\u0159edn\u00ed v\u00fdchod a Afrika se odehr\u00e1vaj\u00ed v\u00a0\u010dase, kdy j\u00e1 m\u00e1m ve\u010der, \u010dasto pracuji v\u00a0noci. Tak\u00e9 hodn\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom, jak\u00e9 nov\u00e9 katastrofy se na sv\u011bt\u011b zrovna objev\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Dost \u010dasu tr\u00e1v\u00edte v\u00a0ter\u00e9nu. Stalo se v\u00e1m, \u017ee jste nevid\u011bla nebezpe\u010d\u00ed, i kdy\u017e re\u00e1ln\u011b tam bylo?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u011bdom\u011b ne, \u010dlov\u011bk to vid\u00ed sp\u00ed\u0161 zp\u011btn\u011b. T\u0159eba na som\u00e1lsk\u00e9 hranici na za\u010d\u00e1tku roku 2011 nic nenasv\u011bd\u010dovalo tomu, \u017ee bude krize tak rozs\u00e1hl\u00e1. Za\u010d\u00ednalo to nevinn\u011b, mal\u00fdmi incidenty, ale pak to skon\u010dilo v\u00fdbuchy zhruba 500 metr\u016f od nemocnice a teroristick\u00fdmi \u00fatoky v\u00a0oblasti.<\/p>\n

Zmi\u0148ovali jsme va\u0161i maminku, co m\u00e1 tak\u00e9 pom\u00e1haj\u00edc\u00ed profesi, ale doma na Slovensku. Nikdy nenazna\u010dovala, \u017ee byste se m\u011bla p\u0159est\u011bhovat?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jasn\u011b! Maminky to v\u017edycky zkou\u0161ej\u00ed! Ta moje to je\u0161t\u011b nevzdala.<\/p>\n

Tak\u017ee by v\u00e1s nejrad\u011bji m\u011bla doma na Slovensku?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee by p\u0159istoupila i na jinou zemi, kter\u00e1 by byla podle n\u00ed bezpe\u010dn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed. (sm\u00edch) Moment\u00e1ln\u011b to nezkou\u0161\u00ed, ale \u010dek\u00e1m, \u017ee to zase p\u0159ijde.<\/p>\n

A posledn\u00ed ot\u00e1zka, praktick\u00e1. Za jak dlouho si dok\u00e1\u017eete sbalit kufr?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Za dvacet minut. Beru si oble\u010den\u00ed, na kter\u00e9 jsem zvykl\u00e1, r\u00e1da nos\u00edm d\u017e\u00edny a ko\u0161ile. Talismany nem\u00e1m, zato kosmetiku docela \u0159e\u0161\u00edm, v\u017edycky mus\u00edm m\u00edt sv\u00e9 m\u00fddlo, \u0161ampon, kr\u00e9my a z\u00e1kladn\u00ed bal\u00ed\u010dek l\u00e9k\u016f. Proto\u017ee v\u00a0m\u00edstech, kam jezd\u00edm, nic podobn\u00e9ho nese\u017eenete. Anebo se\u017eenete, ale v\u011b\u0159te mi, \u017ee to fakt nechcete pou\u017e\u00edvat.<\/p>\n

L\u00e9\u010d\u00edme tady a te\u010f. D\u00edky V\u00e1m.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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