{"id":8434,"date":"2018-02-01T15:26:53","date_gmt":"2018-02-01T15:26:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.magna.org\/fr\/denisa-augustinova-podvyzivene-deti-neplacou-namaji-dost-sil-2\/"},"modified":"2022-12-03T15:27:10","modified_gmt":"2022-12-03T15:27:10","slug":"denisa-augustinova-podvyzivene-deti-neplacou-namaji-dost-sil-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.magna.org\/fr\/sk\/uncategorized\/denisa-augustinova-podvyzivene-deti-neplacou-namaji-dost-sil-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Denisa August\u00ednov\u00e1: Podvy\u017eiven\u00e9 deti nepla\u010d\u00fa, nemaj\u00fa dos\u0165 s\u00edl."},"content":{"rendered":"

Rozhovor s Denisou August\u00ednovou p\u00f4vodne vy\u0161iel v janu\u00e1rovom \u010d\u00edsle\u00a0\u010dasopisu Marianne<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Denisa August\u00ednov\u00e1 rozhovory nezn\u00e1\u0161a. Cel\u00fd svoj \u017eivot sa orientuje na pomoc druh\u00fdm a je pozna\u0165, \u017ee o sebe hovor\u00ed len ve\u013emi nerada. Jej kolegyne zo slovenskej humanit\u00e1rnej organiz\u00e1cie MAGNA, ktor\u00fa Denisa pred \u0161estn\u00e1stimi rokmi ako dvadsa\u0165tri ro\u010dn\u00e1(!) zalo\u017eila, pred \u0148ou ale na\u0161\u0165astie tajili fotenie a rozhovor tak dlho a tak \u0161ikovne, \u017ee sa jej nakoniec nepodarilo vyvliec\u0165. A tak sa Marianne mohla s touto v\u00fdnimo\u010dnou \u017eenou, ktor\u00fa prirovn\u00e1vaj\u00fa k sirovi Nicholasovi Wintonovi, stretn\u00fa\u0165.<\/p>\n

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M\u00e1te dve mal\u00e9 deti a za dva dni let\u00edte na s\u00fdrsku hranicu. Pre norm\u00e1lneho smrte\u013en\u00edka dos\u0165 nepohodln\u00e1 predstava.<\/strong>
Myslela som si, \u017ee materstvo m\u00f4j poh\u013ead nezmen\u00ed. Ale zmenilo. V ist\u00fdch ve\u013emi vyp\u00e4t\u00fdch chv\u00ed\u013each v\u00e1s to ovplyvn\u00ed, napr\u00edklad ke\u010f pr\u00edde pacient v rovnakom veku ako moje dc\u00e9ry. To die\u0165a je v situ\u00e1cii, kedy stratilo cel\u00fa rodinu, je osamel\u00e9, za\u017eilo traumy. A presne v tej chv\u00edli sa \u010dlovek pozer\u00e1 do o\u010d\u00ed svojmu vlastn\u00e9mu die\u0165a\u0165u. Samozrejme m\u00e1m oproti in\u00fdm \u013eu\u010fom posunut\u00e9 hranice, v podobn\u00fdch z\u00f3nach sa pohybujem roky. Ale tie\u017e viem, kde s\u00fa limity.<\/p>\n

Magnu ste zalo\u017eili s man\u017eelom, na misie chod\u00edte obaja. M\u00e1te katastrofick\u00fd scen\u00e1r, \u010do robi\u0165, keby sa jeden z v\u00e1s nevr\u00e1til?
<\/strong>Nie, nem\u00e1me.<\/p>\n

Naozaj sa neboj\u00edte?
<\/strong>Ja sa neboj\u00edm ni\u010doho, I fear nothing. Preto\u017ee strach je nepriate\u013e. Vedie n\u00e1s ku skratov\u00fdm rozhodnutiam. Ale samozrejme neriskujem vedome svoj \u017eivot, ani \u017eivot niekoho in\u00e9ho z MAGNA.<\/p>\n

A \u010do choroby? T\u00fdch sa tie\u017e neboj\u00edte?
<\/strong>Na to, kde sa pohybujem, som v pohode. P\u00e1r tropick\u00fdch ochoren\u00ed prebehlo, ale ni\u010d fat\u00e1lne.<\/p>\n

Vy o tom hovor\u00edte ako o chr\u00edpke. Ak\u00fa chorobu ste prekonali?
<\/strong>Hor\u00fa\u010dku dengue. Ve\u013ea kolegov ju v\u0161ak ako chr\u00edpku vn\u00edma. A mal\u00e1riu tie\u017e.<\/p>\n

Napad\u00e1 ma, \u017ee asi m\u00e1te pom\u00e1hanie v krvi, va\u0161a maminka bola soci\u00e1lna pracovnica.
<\/strong>To \u00e1no. Maminka pracovala s de\u0165mi z probl\u00e9mov\u00fdch rod\u00edn, hlavne s adolescentmi. Ke\u010f sa objavila diera v syst\u00e9me a nemali kde by\u0165, vzala ich jednoducho k n\u00e1m domov.<\/p>\n

Tak\u017ee v\u00e1m napr\u00edklad okupovali detsk\u00fa izbu? To v pr\u00edpade probl\u00e9mov\u00fdch adolescentov asi nebolo jednoduch\u00e9.
<\/strong>U det\u00ed je to in\u00e9. Deti maj\u00fa z\u00e1zra\u010dn\u00fa schopnos\u0165 nes\u00fadi\u0165. A probl\u00e9mov\u00e9 deti maj\u00fa probl\u00e9my hlavne kv\u00f4li tomu, \u017ee maj\u00fa probl\u00e9my doma, nec\u00edtia l\u00e1sku. Agresia je iba prezle\u010den\u00fd strach. Ke\u010f sa potom tie deti ocitli u n\u00e1s doma, tak mali pocit k\u013eudu a bezpe\u010dia, my s bratom sme v\u00f4bec nevn\u00edmali, \u017ee by boli nejako probl\u00e9mov\u00e9. Sk\u00f4r n\u00e1m bolo niekedy \u013e\u00fato, ke\u010f odi\u0161li. V\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou u n\u00e1s boli p\u00e1r dn\u00ed. No niekedy i t\u00fd\u017ed\u0148ov. Ale boli sme zvyknut\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Vy ste potom iba ako dvadsa\u0165tri ro\u010dn\u00e1 zalo\u017eila humanit\u00e1rnu organiz\u00e1ciu MAGNA, ktor\u00e1 pom\u00e1ha v kr\u00edzov\u00fdch situ\u00e1ci\u00e1ch po celom svete.
<\/strong>To bola asi mlad\u00edcka nerozv\u00e1\u017enos\u0165! (smiech) Ale v\u00e1\u017ene, v tej dobe nebola na Slovensku organiz\u00e1cia, ktor\u00e1 by implementovala samostatn\u00e9 projekty v ter\u00e9ne. Tak sme s Martinom zalo\u017eili vlastn\u00fa.<\/p>\n

Jazd\u00edte na zahrani\u010dn\u00e9 misie spolu?
<\/strong>M\u00e1me dve dc\u00e9ry, tak\u017ee sa striedame, mus\u00edme si to doma logisticky zorganizova\u0165. K\u00fdm sme nemali deti, chodili sme spolu ove\u013ea viac. Moment\u00e1lne \u017eijeme medzi Libanonom a Kambod\u017eou, kde chodia dc\u00e9ry do \u0161koly.<\/p>\n

Do ter\u00e9nu, ale jazd\u00edte st\u00e1le dos\u0165. Beriete deti so sebou?
<\/strong>\u017diadny rodi\u010d by die\u0165a dobrovo\u013ene nevystavil nebezpe\u010diu, na\u0161e deti mu tie\u017e nie s\u00fa vystavovan\u00e9. Nechodia do kraj\u00edn \u201enezlu\u010dite\u013en\u00fdch s de\u0165mi\u201c, iba tam, kde to bezpe\u010dnos\u0165 dovol\u00ed. Napr\u00edklad v niektor\u00fdch krajin\u00e1ch v Afrike je to stabilnej\u0161ie, p\u00f4sobili sme tam v mnoh\u00fdch krajin\u00e1ch. Aj v Libanone s nami deti s\u00fa, rovnako ako v mnoh\u00fdch \u00e1zijsk\u00fdch krajin\u00e1ch.<\/p>\n

Ako ich va\u0161a profesia ovplyv\u0148uje?
<\/strong>Asi v\u00fdrazne. Star\u0161ia dc\u00e9ra u\u017e m\u00e1 dev\u00e4\u0165, ur\u010dite sa na mnoh\u00e9 veci pozer\u00e1 inak, je konfrontovan\u00e1 s drsnej\u0161ou realitou. Vid\u00ed \u017eivot na ulici, vid\u00ed \u013eud\u00ed, \u010do nemaj\u00fa peniaze. P\u00fdta sa ako pom\u00f4c\u0165. Na rozdiel od dospel\u00fdch, deti v\u00f4bec nerie\u0161ia, pre\u010do pom\u00e1ha\u0165, ale sk\u00f4r ako a kedy. Star\u0161ia dc\u00e9ra posiela hra\u010dky a oble\u010denie akon\u00e1hle je niekde nejak\u00e1 katastrofa, nemus\u00edme jej hovori\u0165, rob\u00ed to automaticky. Ke\u010f bol cykl\u00f3n na Filip\u00ednach, dokonca robila v \u0161kole zbierku. Jasn\u00e9, financie s\u00fa d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9, ale niekedy zab\u00fadame, \u017ee k\u013e\u00fa\u010dov\u00e9 je aj zdie\u013eanie inform\u00e1ci\u00ed o dan\u00fdch konfliktoch. A hlavne dobrota v n\u00e1s. T\u00e1 je zadarmo. Pom\u00f4\u017eete \u010dloveku, ktor\u00fd je na ulici, ale pom\u00f4\u017eete napr\u00edklad aj doma. A \u010dlovek, ktor\u00e9mu pom\u00f4\u017eete, bude potom tie\u017e pom\u00e1ha\u0165. Spolo\u010dne vytvor\u00edte re\u0165az.<\/p>\n

Ako m\u00f4\u017eeme pom\u00f4c\u0165 my? \u010co napr\u00edklad, ke\u010f si mesa\u010dne odoprieme 4 eur\u00e1, teda zhruba jeden obed?
<\/strong>Aj p\u00e1r eur m\u00f4\u017ee zachr\u00e1ni\u0165 \u017eivot. MAGNA rie\u0161i ve\u013ea nutri\u010dn\u00fdch projektov pre hladuj\u00face deti a tehotn\u00e9 matky, v\u00a0\u010cech\u00e1ch id\u00fa v\u0161etky prostriedky priamo na pomoc. Vlastne sme tak\u00e1 pred\u013a\u017een\u00e1 ruka prispievate\u013ea.<\/p>\n

Pohybujete sa v oblastiach postihnut\u00fdch katastrofami. Ak\u00e1 situ\u00e1cia v\u00e1s naozaj zasiahla.
<\/strong>Ja si dobre pam\u00e4t\u00e1m v\u00f4ne a zvuky. Napr\u00edklad, ke\u010f bol v Som\u00e1lsku hladomor, chodili za nami i stovky nov\u00fdch pacientov denne. Ste v obrovskej skupine hladuj\u00facich det\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa \u0165a\u017eko podvy\u017eiven\u00e9, vysilen\u00e9, dehydrovan\u00e9, nemaj\u00fa chu\u0165 do jedla a trpia r\u00f4znymi ochoreniami, napr\u00edklad z\u00e1palom p\u013e\u00fac. Tie\u017e ich bol\u00ed brucho pri za\u0165a\u017een\u00ed za\u017e\u00edvania, nieko\u013eko mesiacov nejedli, ke\u010f im za\u010dnete d\u00e1va\u0165 v\u00fd\u017eivu zo za\u010diatku ich to stra\u0161ne bol\u00ed. Pla\u010d\u00fa, ale preto\u017ee na pla\u010d nemaj\u00fa dos\u0165 s\u00edl, tak vyd\u00e1vaj\u00fa tak\u00fd \u0161pecifick\u00fd zvuk. Je to dos\u0165 siln\u00e9… A potom vid\u00edte okolo seba v\u0161etky tie pr\u00edbehy, \u0161tvorro\u010dn\u00e9 deti, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa \u0161es\u0165 k\u00edl. Starali sme sa napr\u00edklad o diev\u010datko, ktor\u00e9 k n\u00e1m priniesla babi\u010dka na chrbte, jedno die\u0165a jej cestou zomrelo. Za \u0161es\u0165 t\u00fd\u017ed\u0148ov, ale odi\u0161li spolu. Zdrav\u00e9 a po vlastn\u00fdch. Podobn\u00e1 situ\u00e1cia je moment\u00e1lne v Ju\u017enom Sud\u00e1ne.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Tu\u0161\u00edte, ko\u013eko \u017eivotov pomohla zachr\u00e1ni\u0165 va\u0161a organiz\u00e1cia? \u010ciarky si asi nerob\u00edte, ale ur\u010dite m\u00e1te predstavu.
<\/strong>Za tie roky s\u00fa to desa\u0165tis\u00edce \u017eivotov. V posledn\u00fdch dvan\u00e1stich rokoch sme boli pri v\u0161etk\u00fdch katastrof\u00e1ch, od tsunami po zemetrasenia. Poskytujeme prim\u00e1rnu zdravotn\u00fa starostlivos\u0165, o\u0161etrujeme stovky pacientov denne. V posledn\u00fdch rokoch je v\u0161ak na\u0161a pr\u00e1ca st\u00e1le \u0165a\u017e\u0161ia.<\/p>\n

Pre\u010do?<\/strong>
Konflikt v S\u00fdrii kompletne zmenil humanit\u00e1rnu etiku. Kedysi znamenal kr\u00ed\u017e na sanitke, \u010di nemocnici, \u017ee sa ne\u00fato\u010d\u00ed, my dnes ale na na\u0161ich mobiln\u00fdch klinik\u00e1ch nem\u00f4\u017eeme ma\u0165 ozna\u010denie, \u017ee poskytujeme zdravotn\u00edcku pomoc, preto\u017ee by sme sa okam\u017eite stali ter\u010dom. Humanit\u00e1rne pr\u00e1vo prest\u00e1va fungova\u0165, nap\u00e1danie zdravotn\u00edckeho syst\u00e9mu sa pou\u017e\u00edva ako sp\u00f4sob vedenia vojny.<\/p>\n

Pri va\u0161ej profesii ve\u013emi z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na aktu\u00e1lnej situ\u00e1cii vo svete, pracovn\u00fa dobu od \u00f4smej do piatej asi teda nem\u00e1te.
<\/strong>To nie, od \u00f4smej do piatej naozaj nepracujem. Hlavne kv\u00f4li tomu, \u017ee na svete s\u00fa r\u00f4zne \u010dasov\u00e9 z\u00f3ny a Stredn\u00fd v\u00fdchod a Afrika sa odohr\u00e1vaj\u00fa v \u010dase, ke\u010f ja m\u00e1m ve\u010der, \u010dasto pracujem v noci. Tie\u017e z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom, ak\u00e9 nov\u00e9 katastrofy sa na svete pr\u00e1ve objavia.<\/p>\n

Ve\u013ea \u010dasu tr\u00e1vite v ter\u00e9ne. Stalo sa v\u00e1m niekedy, \u017ee ste nevideli nebezpe\u010denstvo aj ke\u010f tam re\u00e1lne bolo?
<\/strong>Vedome nie, \u010dlovek to vid\u00ed sk\u00f4r sp\u00e4tne. Napr\u00edklad na som\u00e1lskej hranici na za\u010diatku roku 2011 ni\u010d nenasved\u010dovalo tomu, \u017ee bude kr\u00edza tak rozsiahla. Za\u010d\u00ednalo to nevinne mal\u00fdmi incidentami, ale nakoniec to skon\u010dilo v\u00fdbuchmi pribli\u017ene 500 metrov od nemocnice a teroristick\u00fdmi \u00fatokmi v oblasti.<\/p>\n

Spom\u00ednali sme va\u0161u maminku, ktor\u00e1 m\u00e1 tie\u017e profesiu, ktorej zmyslom je pom\u00e1ha\u0165 ale doma na Slovensku. Nikdy nenazna\u010dovala, \u017ee by ste sa mali pres\u0165ahova\u0165?
<\/strong>Jasn\u00e9! Maminky to v\u017edy sk\u00fa\u0161aj\u00fa! T\u00e1 moja to e\u0161te nevzdala.<\/p>\n

Tak\u017ee by v\u00e1s najrad\u0161ej mala doma na Slovensku?
<\/strong>Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee by s\u00fahlasila aj s inou krajinou, ktor\u00e1 by bola pod\u013ea nej bezpe\u010dnej\u0161ia. (smiech) Moment\u00e1lne to nesk\u00fa\u0161a, ale \u010dak\u00e1m, \u017ee to zase pr\u00edde.<\/p>\n

A posledn\u00e1 ot\u00e1zka, praktick\u00e1. Ako dlho v\u00e1m trv\u00e1 zbali\u0165 si kufor?
<\/strong>Dvadsa\u0165 min\u00fat. Beriem si oble\u010denie, na ktor\u00e9 som zvyknut\u00e1, rada nos\u00edm d\u017e\u00ednsy a ko\u0161ele. Talizmany nem\u00e1m, zato kozmetiku celkom rie\u0161im, v\u017edy mus\u00edm ma\u0165 svoje mydlo, \u0161amp\u00f3n, kr\u00e9my a z\u00e1kladn\u00fd bal\u00ed\u010dek liekov. Preto\u017ee na miestach, kam chod\u00edm ni\u010d podobn\u00e9 nezo\u017eeniete. Alebo zo\u017eeniete, ale verte mi, \u017ee to naozaj nechcete pou\u017e\u00edva\u0165.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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